make up natural cara make up make up tutorial make up korea make up minimalis make up artis make up mata belajar make up make up wardah alat make up makeup forever indonesia makeup artist jakarta tips make up barbie make up natural make up make up wajah make up pesta make up syahrini makeup mata makeup minimalis peralatan make up make up cantik make up mac make up kit jual make up make up sederhana perlengkapan make up gambar make up vidio make up cara makeup minimalis wardah make up make up pac make up glamour cara memakai makeup make up panggung harga make up make up modern make up alami make up dasar pixy make up make up muslimah make up oriflame make up jepang makeover cosmetic make up ultima make up sariayu grosir make up makeup fantasi makeup pesta tas makeup langkah make up make up pria make up malam alat makeup tahapan make up produk make up shading make up mak up make up kebaya make up jilbab make up inez make up simpel contoh make up cara ber makeup makeup wajah tanpa make up make up terbaru toko make up mac makeup indonesia make up soft urutan make up trik make up makeover makeup brand gusnaldi make up paket make up panduan make up jual makeup brush make up bagus alat2 make up make up gusnaldi aplikasi make up alat alat makeup dasar make up inez make up peralatan makeup make up wanita make up berjilbab make up tebal sejarah make up make up maybeline make up branded make up siang tata cara makeup reseller make up make up muslim make up maybelin warna make up tips make up artist rias make up make up mata make up artis belajar make up make up artist kursus make up kuas make up make up forever indonesia jual make up mac indonesia make up make up artist indonesia harga make up forever jual make up online make up pac make up forever jakarta make up oriflame jual make up forever make up online shop indonesia harga make up sekolah make up grosir make up harga make up maybelline jual make up murah make up terbaru mak up mac make up indonesia sofia make up make up kit murah mac makeup indonesia produk make up jual make up kit make up store indonesia make up forever academy jakarta toko make up online jual make up set jual make up mac make up beauty jual make up branded produk make up mac make up forever harga make up mac indonesia produk make up artis jual make up palette produk make up forever make up palette murah before after make up pengantin before after make up sendiri before n after hasil makeup contoh make up karakter contoh riasan pengantin before n after harga make up wisuda harga make up artist harga make up forever make up wisuda rias wisuda di jogja Daftar harga make up forever daftar harga make up mac daftar harga kosmetik make up forever makeup wisuda harga makeup wisuda kursus make up di yogyakarta kursus make up di jogja kursus make up jogja kursus make up yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di jogja kursus make up artist di jogja kursus rias pengantin di jogja kursus rias di yogyakarta kursus tata rias di yogyakarta rias pengantin muslim jogja jasa kreasi jilbab wisuda yogyakarta jasa rias make up wisuda murah bagus bisa dpanggil tempat make uf di jigja yang bagus rias wisuda murah dan berkualitas yogyakarta pakar kreasi jilbab di jogja make uper natural yogya make up wisuda hijab area jogja make up dan kreasi jilbab yang bagus di jogja jasa make up natural untuk wisuda jogja makeup jogja make up jogja makeup yogyakarta make up yogyakarta makeup wisuda jogja make up wisuda jogja make up wisuda yogyakarta makeup wisuda yogyakarta
Search - People/Events
Search - Content
Search - Industry
Search - Forums
Search - Newsfeeds


Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
If you have a question regarding coaxial, telephone, and building wire, power cable, insulation, extrusion, bunching, stranding, braiding, etc. post it here.

TOPIC: Extrusion Toolings

Extrusion Toolings 2 years 7 months ago #217

Good day!

I just want to ask, do we have any standard in calculating the diameter of the point/tip and the die for extrusion lines?
Like for example, for conductor size of 1.2 can we use 1.26 or 1.34? and the die will be 2.16 or 2.24? Some people are saying yes we could use the bigger diameter of tip but some say it will create off center.
I just want to ask the opinion of the experts.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Extrusion Toolings 2 years 7 months ago #218

Hello there,

Before we answer you, you must tell us some more information.

- What is the conductor? Solid annealed copper or 7 wire annealed (1+6 concentrically stranded) conductor. (Not bunched)

- What are the numbers in your question? Millimeters, Square millimeters? (If the conductor diameter is 1.2 mm (0.0472 inches), it is about 16.5 AWG)

- What is the insulation and process? (PE, PVC, XLPE Moisture Cure, XLPE Steam Cure) Likewise please confirm that this is pressure extrusion and not tubing.

- What is the purpose of this insulated conductor? (Example - House wiring at 220 Volt AC, 50 or 60 Hz?)

Thank you.

Peter J. Stewart-Hay
Stewart-Hay Associates
519 641- 3212
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Extrusion Toolings 2 years 7 months ago #219

Thank you again for the reply.

1. It is a stranded conductor (7wires for NYA and 19wires for THHN).
2. The values are in mm. The 1.2mm is for 18AWG in our company.
3. PVC and XLPE insulation and it is pressure tooling.
4. All for building wires. For THHN (19 wires) it is 600V and for NYA (7wires) it is 450/750V.

I could send you the conductor sizes we have if you want.
And also some people are saying that with bigger point diameter it will create a wire break.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Extrusion Toolings 2 years 7 months ago #220

Hello again,

The difference between your understanding (18 AWG) and my calculation (About 16.5 AWG) was due to fact that I assumed the conductor to be solid and not stranded, hence more copper. I imagine it is 18 AWG if your 7 wire strands have a diameter of (1.2) /3 = 0.4 mm and your 19 wire strands have a diameter of (1.2) / 5 = 0.24 mm.

Now on to your original questions.

Since you are using pressure extrusion, the inside bore of the die defines the outside diameter of the insulation. Increasing the die diameter is not required because you would be giving away plastic for nothing. The diameter of the die is therefore fixed.

Now as far as the tip is concerned, the clearance between the tip and the conductor or core should be sufficiently close enough to hold center without causing wire breaks or jamming of the core. For small stranded conductor, it should be three or four mils (Thousandths of an inch). If you are experiencing high spots on your strand, the issue is at stranding (Tension control, starting and stopping and so on.) and not at insulating. Check by installing a laser diameter on the bare conductor as it enters the cross head or at the stranding machine. Be sure however to protect the laser from damage or destruction if the wire breaks. If you are flying this bare stranded wire off at the extruder, do you have tight control as to the flying direction? I personally prefer live (driven) pay-off reels with no twisting at extrusion.

If your tips are plugging with copper dust, the problem is with the drawing lubricant and I personally would first suspect the emulsifier in the drawing lubricant. If you are having such a technical issue, contact your drawing lubricant supplier immediately. You should also be using deionized water to dilute the drawing lubricant plus you should use clean fresh water in the drawing machine annealer. (A lubricant is not necessary in my experience.) Please do not assume drawing lubricants are low tech nuisance you must have because this is not the case.

I have actually witnessed annealed, preheated, solid copper wire (24, 26 and 28 gauges) broken by high pressure plastic via diameter reduction of the conductor (Plastic pressure say in the area of 7500 psi.) but breaking a larger stranded conductor like yours by having too much clearance in the tip would be very unlikely. There are usually pressure gauges on primary, high speed extrusion lines after the breaker plate to make sure that the tooling in the cross head has been designed and installed correctly. Do you have an accurate procedure to set the position of the tip relative to the die or is this all fixed?

If you use a larger than recommended tip, always keep in mind that the conductor runs on the bottom inside surface of the tip, thus you will have to manually center the insulation by adjusting the position of the die holder (if possible).

This is really all the advice I can give from this side of the World and without inspecting your tooling, seeing the line set up and in operation.

Peter J. Stewart-Hay
Stewart-Hay Associates
519 641- 3212
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Extrusion Toolings 2 years 7 months ago #221

Thank you Mr. Peter for your adivce. Is this also applicable to Tube Toolings? I think for tube toolings, the diameter of the tip will be much bigger right?
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Extrusion Toolings 2 years 7 months ago #222


Generally speaking, tubing is used to pull down a plastic sheath by vacuum on to a rather uneven core so the tip clearance would be more in that particular situation. The tip also has a longer bearing than that in a pressure set up. In tubing, the sheath wall thickness is maintained without giving away excess plastic. For example, it is commonly used for sheathing PVC insulated, paired and cabled inside telephone cable.

The die however would have a larger diameter or bore because of the pull down of the plastic on to the core. (Drawdown Ratio) In extrusion, the ratio of the thickness of the die opening to the final thickness of the sheath is known as the drawdown ratio.

You are going to have to buy some books from the WAI Store if you need more information. For a start I suggest the Electrical Wire Handbook Set. It is remarkably economical.

Peter J. Stewart-Hay
Stewart-Hay Associates
519 641- 3212
The administrator has disabled public write access.
Time to create page: 0.312 seconds