make up natural cara make up make up tutorial make up korea make up minimalis make up artis make up mata belajar make up make up wardah alat make up makeup forever indonesia makeup artist jakarta tips make up barbie make up natural make up make up wajah make up pesta make up syahrini makeup mata makeup minimalis peralatan make up make up cantik make up mac make up kit jual make up make up sederhana perlengkapan make up gambar make up vidio make up cara makeup minimalis wardah make up make up pac make up glamour cara memakai makeup make up panggung harga make up make up modern make up alami make up dasar pixy make up make up muslimah make up oriflame make up jepang makeover cosmetic make up ultima make up sariayu grosir make up makeup fantasi makeup pesta tas makeup langkah make up make up pria make up malam alat makeup tahapan make up produk make up shading make up mak up make up kebaya make up jilbab make up inez make up simpel contoh make up cara ber makeup makeup wajah tanpa make up make up terbaru toko make up mac makeup indonesia make up soft urutan make up trik make up makeover makeup brand gusnaldi make up paket make up panduan make up jual makeup brush make up bagus alat2 make up make up gusnaldi aplikasi make up alat alat makeup dasar make up inez make up peralatan makeup make up wanita make up berjilbab make up tebal sejarah make up make up maybeline make up branded make up siang tata cara makeup reseller make up make up muslim make up maybelin warna make up tips make up artist rias make up make up mata make up artis belajar make up make up artist kursus make up kuas make up make up forever indonesia jual make up mac indonesia make up make up artist indonesia harga make up forever jual make up online make up pac make up forever jakarta make up oriflame jual make up forever make up online shop indonesia harga make up sekolah make up grosir make up harga make up maybelline jual make up murah make up terbaru mak up mac make up indonesia sofia make up make up kit murah mac makeup indonesia produk make up jual make up kit make up store indonesia make up forever academy jakarta toko make up online jual make up set jual make up mac make up beauty jual make up branded produk make up mac make up forever harga make up mac indonesia produk make up artis jual make up palette produk make up forever make up palette murah before after make up pengantin before after make up sendiri before n after hasil makeup contoh make up karakter contoh riasan pengantin before n after harga make up wisuda harga make up artist harga make up forever make up wisuda rias wisuda di jogja Daftar harga make up forever daftar harga make up mac daftar harga kosmetik make up forever makeup wisuda harga makeup wisuda kursus make up di yogyakarta kursus make up di jogja kursus make up jogja kursus make up yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di yogyakarta kursus kecantikan di jogja kursus make up artist di jogja kursus rias pengantin di jogja kursus rias di yogyakarta kursus tata rias di yogyakarta rias pengantin muslim jogja jasa kreasi jilbab wisuda yogyakarta jasa rias make up wisuda murah bagus bisa dpanggil tempat make uf di jigja yang bagus rias wisuda murah dan berkualitas yogyakarta pakar kreasi jilbab di jogja make uper natural yogya make up wisuda hijab area jogja make up dan kreasi jilbab yang bagus di jogja jasa make up natural untuk wisuda jogja makeup jogja make up jogja makeup yogyakarta make up yogyakarta makeup wisuda jogja make up wisuda jogja make up wisuda yogyakarta makeup wisuda yogyakarta
Search - People/Events
Search - Content
Search - Industry
Search - Forums
Search - Newsfeeds



jobcenterbanner

FacebookLinkedinPinterestYoutube
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
Have a question on lubricants, wire drawing, quality, testing, ISO, environmental? Post your question here to get the answer!
  • Page:
  • 1
  • 2

TOPIC: Zinc Wire Drawing Lubricant (No Foam + No Residue)

Zinc Wire Drawing Lubricant (No Foam + No Residue) 1 year 1 month ago #2605

Hi,

We manufacture Zinc wire used in Thermal Spray Metallizing.

I came across this forum recently.

What a find!

I did some reading and searching on here but still had a quick question...

What are the most common type of lubricants used in continuous drawing of Zinc wire in a multi die drawing machine? Lubricant is sprayed onto the wire and capstan cone.

After some experimentation we started using around 1% soap based lubricant (i.e. 1% soap, 99% water) but it is still too foamy and also leaving a slightly black residue on the wire surface. (plus fines are not washed away fully)

Does anyone have any specific suggestions and/or tips on a better lubricant? (Ideal requirements are no residue, no excessive foam and high lubricity for high speed drawing and extended die life)

I already contacted some manufacturers but none of them seem to have any specific for Zinc wire. What lubricant can I use?

Any help is most appreciated.

Thanks!
Prasad
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Zinc Wire Drawing Lubricant (No Foam + No Residue) 1 year 1 month ago #2608

Hello,

It is encouraging that you are already using a soap/ water drawing solution but you are missing, emulsifiers, inhibitors, a biocide and anti-foaming chemicals plus of course soap based lubricants are really dirty in the drawing machine, tanks, pumps and piping. A water based synthetic or semi-synthetic may indeed be your best bet. I suggest you contact the Richards Apex company in Philadelphia, PA USA ( www.richardsapex.com ) and leave a clear message for their chemists www.richardsapex.com/contact/index.html Make sure you fill in the country information because Richards Apex is indeed worldwide.
Regards,
Peter J. Stewart-Hay Principal
Stewart-Hay Associates
www.Stewart-Hay.com
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Last Edit: 1 year 1 month ago by Peter J Stewart-Hay.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Zinc Wire Drawing Lubricant (No Foam + No Residue) 1 year 1 month ago #2611

Hello again Mr. Stewart-Hay,

Thanks for your suggestions.

I will contact Richards Apex right away.

Since Zinc wire is a niche industry (say unlike big brothers Copper or Aluminium wire) I asked several lubricant suppliers what they supply for Copper or Aluminium wire manufacturers and a majority of them said soap based lubricants. So we have been using that ever since.

We just figured if its good enough for copper or aluminium wire manufacturers it is good enough for us! :-)

I do agree soap based lubricants are dirty but cheap. But now some of our customers want shiny silvery looking wire whereas the lubricant we are using adds some kind of soapy residue which is black to the touch and reduces the shine of the wire.

Do you know of anyone else like Richards Apex who might be able to help us?

Thanks again,
Prasad
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Zinc Wire Drawing Lubricant (No Foam + No Residue) 1 year 1 month ago #2613

Hello again,

Please keep in mind that aluminum drawing uses an oil lubricant whereas copper drawing employs water based synthetic and semi-synthetic drawing solutions.

I think you should first use the contact form at the Richards Apex website so that they can refer you to their appropriate employee. If you indeed have problems let me know at the WAI Forums and I will phone them to determine an appropriate person for you to contact.
Regards,
Peter J. Stewart-Hay Principal
Stewart-Hay Associates
www.Stewart-Hay.com
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Zinc Wire Drawing Lubricant (No Foam + No Residue) 1 year 1 month ago #2614

Hello again Mr. Stewart-Hay,

I filled in the contact form at Richards Apex with my specifications about 18 hours back. I also sent them an email (I found email address on their contact page) of the same. I mentioned I got their reference from you.

I will update once I hear back from them.

If I don't hear back in a few days I will then request your help in proceeding further.

Thanks again Mr. Stewart-Hay,
Prasad

PS: Just curious... Are there specific lubricants for each type of metal or metal alloy which is drawn into wires (or at least for the highest volume products) or do most manufacturers improvise and customize for their particular situation? I was thinking any lubricant suitable for a Zinc alloy wire might be suitable for us to manufacture pure zinc wire.
Last Edit: 1 year 1 month ago by Peter J Stewart-Hay.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: Zinc Wire Drawing Lubricant (No Foam + No Residue) 1 year 1 month ago #2617

With regard to pure zinc and alloy drawing, I suggest you talk this over with Richards Apex. Aluminum has a number of alloys and all are drawn on the same taper drafting machines but again, that employs an oil drawing lubricant.

Long long ago, we did some minor drawing of a cadmium copper alloy for trolley and pantograph wires (Spark erosion resistance.) but that was soon stopped because cadmium is so dangerous to both human health and the environment. In those days however we employed a soap-fat-hot water drawing solution. I am not familiar with the processes for drawing brass and bronze.

Again, this is really all I can do to assist you.
Cheers
Regards,
Peter J. Stewart-Hay Principal
Stewart-Hay Associates
www.Stewart-Hay.com
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
The administrator has disabled public write access.
  • Page:
  • 1
  • 2
Time to create page: 0.308 seconds